The "Green" 8" hen on nest shown here has big, bulging eyes and other
features of Fenton's hen on nest #5182, yet something about her just
doesn't seem right. The reason for this is the green hen on nest shown in
this section is actually the Gibson Overseas copy of Fenton 8" Hen on
Nest #5182. For comparison's sake, we've included photos of Fenton's 8"
Hen on Nest #5182 CN, in carnival.   

The blueish green areas that appear to be slag, or a mix of 2 or more
colors, however what appears to be slag is actually a thinning of the
glass in that area.
The thinner glass in some areas of Gibson Overseas
copy of Fenton's 8" hen on nest seems to point towards a lack of quality
control, and/or the use of inferior materials for production of glass wares.
The thinner glass in some areas of Gibson Overseas copy of Fenton's 8"
hen on nest seems to point towards a lack of quality control, and/or the
use of inferior materials for production of glass wares.
Left: Green Gibson Overseas copy of Fenton's 8" Hen on Nest.
Right: Fenton 8" hen on nest, ware #5182 CN, in carnival.
When compared to the Carnival Fenton hen on the right, and viewed from the
side the Green Gibson Overseas imported copy Hen Top sits deeper in her nest,
has a flatter back, a more pointed tip to the tail, a tail which departs the back at
a slightly steeper angle, while also lacking the more rounded curve on the rear
edge the Fenton hen has.

What appears to be slag glass on the green hen is actually a thinner area of the
glass, which allowed the flash to show through, creating this pseudo slag look.

The Gibson also has less of a turn to her head with a longer wattle, and other
differences on the head and face. The Gibson base has sides that are straighter
than those of Fenton's which have a slight outward curve to its sides. Gibson's
base also has a larger foot than the Fenton base. Most, if not all of these points
can be seen in the photo to the left.

When viewed from the back, the Green Gibson copy displays a more tightly inverted V to the tail with
thicker edges to the rear of the tail. The Gibson copy's tail also appears slightly different than the
Fenton hen on nest #5182 since the Fenton hen's tail is more rounded on its rear edge, with less of a
point at the top. The Gibson copy has more of a pointed tip to its tail. The difference in the degree of
turn to the neck and head can also be seen in the photo above left.

The eggs of the Gibson, its eyes, and the glass used to produce it, all have problems with consistency
and misshapen forms to some of the hen's parts that Fenton would not consider first quality.  

The Gibson's eyes are not evenly set or as round as the Fenton's hens are, and the comb on the head
of the Gibson hen is also not as evenly placed, with the back of the Gibson hen's head appearing to be
covered with a random grouping of round "balls" which is very different from the detail of the 8"
Fenton hen's head and comb. The glass of the Gibson hen also appears to be inferior to that of
Fenton's, with varying thickness, poor mixing, rough spots and extreme very noticeable mould lines. A
combination of production problems, the use of inferior materials for the production of the Gibson
Overseas copy, and an apparent lack of quality control led to many inconsistencies resulting from
Gibson Overseas manufacturing process. When problems such as those listed above are added to
issues that often arise when moulds are copied and left uncorrected the resulting ware is clearly
inferior to the original.

These photos were taken with both hens at sitting at the same angle so the
differences between the two could be more easily seen.  The Green Gibson hen
top can easily be seen sitting deeper in the nest than the Carnival Fenton hen
does. This is due to the Gibson hen top copy being slightly smaller in size, or
more "compressed" than the authentic Fenton hen top. The difference in size is
especially noticeable over the wing areas and when looking at the overall width
of the hen's body, throat, and head. Many other differences between the
authentic Carnival Fenton hen on nest and the Green Gibson Overseas copy are
clearly evident  in these photos.
The Gibson Overseas imported copy of
Fenton's 8" hen on nest is a fairly good copy,
but has some "issues" which make it easy
enough to identify as a copy, and not an
authentic Fenton brand hen. These points are
discussed and shown in the section below.

The Gibson Overseas Copy of the Fenton 8" hen on the scalloped rimmed nest is considered a good copy. However, there are
several visible differences between it and Fenton's 8" hen on (the scallop rim) nest, which can be used identify the Gibson copy
from an authentic Fenton hen on nest.  Small, but visible, details such as the Gibson hen top's slightly smaller overall size, the hen
top's lack of a rim design, and the straighter shape of the sides of the Gibson base, its larger foot pedestal, it-all adds
up...Overall, the Gibson Overseas Copy visibly differs from that of an authentic Fenton 8" hen on nest in ways that can be seen
from photos. Most of these differences may be related to working with a copy of a copy, and the use of overseas substandard
materials-for starters. More detailed information and photos of the Gibson Overseas copy are included in the section below.
What visual clues can be used to help determine which, if any of these 3 red and white hens are Fenton?

Top hen:
1) The tail of the hen on the top left is not smoothly curved, but instead has indentations, or a scalloped affect,
along the rear edge of the tail, with less obvious longer curves along the front edge of the tail as well.
All Fenton hen tops have smoothly curved tails with no indentations or scallop affects on either edge. Only Fenton's
heavy 8" hen tops with big, round bulging eyes sit on basket woven bases and egg plates.

2) The egg placement, top of tail, wing design, and cowl are also unlike any of the Fenton hen top moulds.
The neck does not have the same degree or angle of turn as either of Fenton's 2 sizes of Hen tops and the cowl is
barely visible, if at all. The beak is not as pointed as the 5" Fenton hen top but too pointed for the 8" Fenton hen
top which would be the only Fenton hen top used on a basket woven style base.


3) Note the details and styling of the "basket woven" base.
Fenton's basket woven bases are different from the style of the basket-woven style of base shown in the top
photo/ That base has a high profile to the relief design, creating a more 3-D, or raised pattern to the under and
over design of the basket weave on the rim and on the sides. The exterior edges of Fenton's basket woven bases
have less of a raised profile to the sides and a tighter twist to the rim design.

4) Proportion of the base to the hen top.
The proportion of the top to the base appear more top heavy than those of Fenton's hen on nest moulds which are
fairly well balanced.




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Middle Hen:
1) The hen on nest shown below right has an overall size and style that is closer in form to Fenton's 5" hen on
nest #5186.
Despite some similarities between hen tops, the base for this 5" hen on nest is very different from any used by
Fenton. This base features a beaded rim with a criss-cross design along the sides clearly indicating this hen on nest
is also not Fenton.  The criss-cross design shown has been used by Westmoreland on several of their hen on nest
bases, and Mosser, who bought many WMG moulds when they went out of business continue using them.

This hen top is also different from Fenton's 5" hen top. The tip of the tail is more rounded, the degree of turn to the
neck, and the overall shape of the head, beak, and cowl differ from Fenton's hen on nest dishes.




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Bottom Hen:
Fenton hen on nest, ware #5186 MD, produced 1971-72. Milk glass hen on nest with hand painted face, comb
and beak. Note the angle of the tail and the type of base used.
The L. G. Wright 7" Hen on Nest
The Westmoreland 5" Hen on Nest
Hen on Nest marriages are not as uncommon as one might think,
since many hen tops do "appear" to fit on bases of different
brands.
 Although occasionally useful for parting out, to replace a
broken top or base, as a rule these "marriages" are not made in
Heaven-or by Fenton. These mismatched hen and nests and can be
difficult to resell unless the unfortunate buyer of such a creature can
locate an appropriate top or bottom to divorce the "marriage."
Trying to resell a mismatched top and base with honesty will more
than likely not earn back funds spent to buy it.

However,  if a mismatched item such as this is purchased on eBay
and paid for via PayPal the Buyer has some recourse
and can take
action to return the item for a refund-especially if the title and
description did not reveal that the hen and nest were mismatched,
and not of the same brand.  In a case such as that the buyer must
contact the seller immediately to explain the situation and request a
refund. If the Seller is not cooperative about permitting the buyer to
return the mismatched item for a refund the Buyer can begin
proceedings with eBay and PayPal by registering a complaint against
the Seller-
since it is the Seller's responsibility to verify the
authenticity of any item they elect to list by a brand name.  
Hen on Nest "Marriage." This is a Westmoreland hen
top on base from Fenton's 5" hen on nest.
 Note the
more sloping angle of the tail of this hen top, when
compared to the tail of Fenton's hen top shown to the
right in milk glass. Other differences can be seen in the
way this hen top's tail meets the bottom of the hen top.
Hen on Nest "Marriage." This is a Boyd hen top
on base from Fenton's 5" hen on nest.
 Note the
many differences of this hen top compared to the  
Fenton hen top shown to the left. Other
differences can be seen in the way this hen top's
tail meets the bottom of the hen top.

















Fenton 5" Hen on Nest, #5186 MI, Note the refined
face, neck, flatter back, and how the tail of the Fenton
5" hen top rises nearly straight up on the rear edge,
forming more pointed tip, before turning down to meet
the back with a slight curved bow to the top edge of
the tail. 6 eggs are grouped in 2 pairs, and 2 singles
on the hen top. The sides of this distinctive base are
formed by 10 arches, triple outlined, and rise from the
foot of the base to the upper rim where they flatten
slightly creating a lovely, decorative rim.
Please see
the section about Hen on Nest #5186 for details.
What is a glass hen on nest "Marriage?"
Why do some people want them?
Above: Gibson Overseas Hen Top, a Copy of Fenton 8" Hen on Nest #5182. Note
how the trim around the hen top consists of diagonal lines that are all in the same
direction-as opposed to the more intricate geometric design of Fenton's 8" hen top.

Below:  Red Carnival Fenton 8" Hen on Nest #5182 RN, from 1996.
Below is the Hen Top from the Red Carnival Fenton Hen on Nest #5182 RN. Study the
design along the hen top's rim and compare it to that of the green Gibson Overseas
copy of Fenton's 8" Hen on Nest #5182.
Glass Hen on Nest enthusiasts consider a hen on nest "marriage" to be a
mismatched hen on nest consisting of a marriage between a hen top of one brand,
color or size and a base /nest of different brand, color or size.
These 2 photos are examples of marriages-both on the arched base of Fenton's 5" Hen on Nest #5186.  At first glance
they both appear to be Fenton, especially the red slag combo with the Fenton sticker clearly visible on the right.  
Look
closely.
 These hen on nest dishes are both marriages. The photo on the left is a blue and white Westmoreland hen top
on an arched base from a 5" Fenton #5186 hen on nest. This combo, or marriage was  listed on eBay and marked
Fenton, with no mention of it being a marriage, even after the seller was notified of such.  

Although similar to Fenton's 5" hen top, the Westmoreland hen top has a rounder tip to her tail, different egg sizes and
placement, and other noticeable differences, including the overall design of her feathering and the rim of the hen top. The
base she's been paired with is one of Fenton's from their 5" Milk Glass hen on nest # 5186 MI, which is shown to the
right. When compared to the Fenton hen on nest in milk glass shown below the others these differences are easier to
see.
Fenton 5" Hen on Nest #5186
Below is a sketch of a Fenton hen on nest #5182 with the hen top lifted
slightly from the base so the rim's design of the hen top is more easily
seen. (please pardon the artwork! :)
Fenton 5" Hen on Nest, #5186 MD
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Over 250 forms of glass hen on nest dishes, produced by more than 100
companies are known to exist. Each has the potential of being incorrectly listed as
Fenton online on Secondary Market Venues, and of course eBay.  Learning to
recognize Fenton's hen on nest forms, from online photos, based on knowledge of
their distinguishing characteristics and features can be a key factor for identifying
which hens are Fenton, and which are not.       
      

Introduction-Characteristics and Features of Fenton's hen on nest forms
Developing and Using Skilled Observation to Recognize Fenton's hen on nest
forms from online photos
Using your knowledge, online photos and often incorrect or "loosely" worded
descriptions to recognize which hen on nest dishes listed online are those of
Fenton's, and which are not.
Features to Observe, Study and Use to help Conclusively Identify a Hen as
Fenton's.
Learn to Recognize Fenton Hen on Nest moulds/forms or immediately disqualify
a hen on nest as not being Fenton, by studying the hen top or base.
Ways to develop Skills of Observation
Visible distinguishing characteristics and features of Fenton's Hen on Nest
dishes
    with a Photo Essay.
Fenton's 8" Hen Top-The eyes have it.
Tail Talk
Nest/Base Basics
The Gibson Overseas Copy of Fenton 8" hen on nest # 5182
Marriages not made in Heaven-or by Fenton!
Common Hen on Nest brand names & forms frequently listed as Fenton when
they are not.
Observing the differences between Fenton brand hen on nest dishes and those
of other makers.
A photo essay of hen on nest forms for you to practice your skills of observation
on.

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Features & Distinguishing Characteristics of authentic Fenton hens exposes
Gibson Overseas Copies of Fenton's large #5182 Hen on Nest & their Hen Egg
Plate-both in Jade & unmarked.
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The green Gibson Overseas copy of Fenton's 8" hen on nest #5182 is not marked with an embedded or any sort of
permanent logo, and is only marked by a large sticker on the bottom of the Gibson copy is easier said than done.  and
is often seen incorrectly listed for sale online as a Fenton 8" hen on nest #5182 in Jade.  Although very similar, one clue
stands out which can be used tell the imported hen from the authentic 8" Fenton hen on nest is that the imported copy
is not marked,  and the rim around the hen top lacks the geometric design the 8" Fenton Hen top has.  The Gibson hen
also has many other visible differences from the Fenton hen on nest the mould used to make it was copied from.

Although the Gibson Overseas 8" hen on nest has bulging eyes (not shaped as round as Fenton's), and a tail that's
close in style to that of Fenton's 8" hen top, the Gibson Overseas copy of Fenton's 8" hen on nest has a several visible
differences from the Fenton hen it was copied from.

The Gibson Overseas hen on nest has bulging eyes but they are not as round, or evenly placed as those of Fenton's.  
There seems to be a "bumpier" almost misshapen appearance to the back of the Gibson's head, and the entire hen top
is slightly smaller, appearing almost deflated when viewed beside a Fenton hen on nest #5182. This smaller size
causes the Gibson hen top to sit deeper in the nest-which has issues of its own.  The Gibson hen's tail is more pointed
at its tip and lacks the rounded exterior curve of the Fenton 8" hen's tail, and many other differences that can be seen
on close inspection, including those with the base's foot.

Easier for many to see is that the Gibson Overseas hen top also lacks the unique geometric design found along the rim
of Fenton's 8" hen top and instead has simple diagonal slashes around the rim's edge all go in the same direction,
which is very different from the complex pattern Fenton used along the rim of their 8" hen top mould.